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Post by nogle on Feb 8, 2016 10:31:11 GMT -5
Here's the list that beat the defending champion in the final round
Alex Harrison Eldar Warp Spider Spam
Eldar CAD
Autarch: Skyrunner 85
3 Scatbikes 81
3 Scatbikes 81
3 Scatbikes (Only 2 scatter lasers) 71
Eldar Warhost Core
Farseer: Skyrunner, 115
5 warp spiders, exarch 105
5 warp spiders, exarch 105
5 warp spiders, exarch 105
V-wrath Battery, D-cannon 55
V-wrath Battery, D-cannon 55
Aspect Host Auxiliary
5 Warp spiders, exarch 105
5 Warp spiders, exarch 105
5 Warp spiders, exarch 105
Aspect Host Auxiliary
5 Warp spiders, exarch 105
5 Warp spiders, exarch 105
5 Warp spiders, exarch 105
Wraith Construct Auxiliary
WK Skathach, 2x deathshrouds, scatter laser 330
INQ detachment
Inquisitor, 2x servo skulls 31
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Post by nettik189 on Feb 8, 2016 12:22:09 GMT -5
Thank god we wont see this at Adepticon it doesnt look unbeatable just annoying to play against
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Post by koszkamade on Feb 8, 2016 12:22:31 GMT -5
God I fucking hate warp spiders....
There needs to be a ban on hellstorm in 40k tourneys. That rule is ridiculous outside of apoc.
Thanks Adepticon for just adding them into the list of legal IA units.
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Post by dudeisuck on Feb 8, 2016 15:02:39 GMT -5
That list makes me vomit in my mouth.
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Post by nettik189 on Feb 8, 2016 16:28:12 GMT -5
Idk how i feel about that wriathknight
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Post by theblackknight on Feb 8, 2016 16:52:11 GMT -5
This list gives me cancer, hate that stupid unit.
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Post by koszkamade on Feb 8, 2016 16:53:10 GMT -5
Granted, if you played eldar you could outpace it pretty good.
I'm just hoping people stocked up on DA lib's w/ aversion.
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Post by grubnards on Feb 9, 2016 9:41:55 GMT -5
Ha, I love how everyone says that 7th edition is the best edition to date. Great for fluff themed lists that allow for each player to bring unique and different lists so that you won't have to face the same armies at tournaments and yet this is what wins. The other top lists don't look as much fun as well. Kudos at least for the Necron guy for bringing an obelisk and some other less seen units. I love how others call their armies raven wing lists or white scars lists but include 2-3 other different factions in their list. So that ravenwing list is comprised of ravenwing bikers, Thunderwolves cavalry, and some white scar bikers, yet the ever popular white scars list is the same as above but in a different order.
Sadly, my last event that I played in was the "modified" highlander event in Erie last spring. Since then I've played 1 game of 40k. This edition has killed my desire to play competitively.
While the allies aspect is part of my disdain for this edition, my biggest gripe is that they shifted to focus of the game from representing a "small squad" engagement into a small apocalypse game. When I started playing at the tail end of 3rd, 40k was meant to represent your forces playing a small portion of a larger battle going on around you. With only 50-80 miniatures on the table this made sense. Now GW wants you to play every game like it's an apocalypse event, which doesn't scale very well at tournament point levels. I understand their motives (more money on selling larger kits) but that has sapped the fun out of the game for me. So my large, nicely painted Eldar army that I built since 5th edition is largely obsolete because I refuse to buy wraithknights and a shit-ton of bikes? My tau, that I started when tau first appeared on the scene in 3rd will sit idle unless I'm willing to buy more riptides, ghost kneels, stormsurges, pirhanas and FW units?
Sorry, guess this game evolved beyond my expectations.
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Post by nogle on Feb 9, 2016 10:17:39 GMT -5
@kevin- You would have loved the AOS tournament (feel better, buddy).
Don't forget you have a pretty good sized 30k word bearers army with demon allies.
That torment did decide the winner of the ITC for the season, so everyone went big.
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Post by koszkamade on Feb 9, 2016 11:33:10 GMT -5
The difference with 7th compared to 3rd is that armies are harder to predict. With he ability to combine infinite units/wargear/ rules it becomes harder to predict the curve. Also, the power creep of almost 20 years has played a very powerful hand in all of this.
The fact that GW folded apocalypse was a horrible idea. It's one of the reasons I really dislike 7th.
Then again, GW massive influx of releases have created a weird double standard.
The kauyon book is a great example of fluff vs. power. The rave guard formations and wargear are very fun, fluffy, and interesting to play. If used in a competitive setting, a lot of tinkering and effort needed to be put in. On the flip side the white scar formations/ wargear are ridiculous. 4 relics could be viewed as obvious includes, and their formations are all immediately effective. Some *cough hunter eye* are just fucking stupid.
Kevin, just because the competitive scene in 40k has gotten out of hand doesn't mean you should abandon a game you have poured so much effort into. Casual games are always welcome, and map campaigns are a blast if played with the right people. Maybe a change of pace is at hand.
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Post by dudeisuck on Feb 9, 2016 16:59:32 GMT -5
Kevin, footdar are not uncompetitive at all, you don't need to have wraithknights or bikes in your eldar list to be good, you don't need any wraith constructs period, nor warp spiders, nor any of the stuff people have been bringing. Min-maxing has been a thing for as long as I can remember, remember 5th ed GK with psyflemen dreads and/or henchmen spam psybolt assault cannon razorback spam.
Now I am not defending the top lists at all, but it isn't really anything new. You can still have fun going to events. Hell, sigmar is fun, 30k is fun, and campaigns are always fun. I'll be getting with Anderson so we can get some info disseminated out for the 30k one we were talking about at DaBoyz.
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Post by nedley on Feb 9, 2016 17:41:12 GMT -5
It literally kills me my favorite aspect is the one that makes people foam at the mouth in rage.
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Post by nedley on Feb 9, 2016 17:44:48 GMT -5
Idk how i feel about that wriathknight It's really good! I've got one myself. No, it doesn't flickerjump (That's just a little too far.), but he can move 12" and scatter 1d6 over terrain, which makes him not get locked behind a pile of rocks like my Knight did against you (I'm not salty). Also, he can use his jump pack, to leave the table. This is really good for baiting Grav Guns. The gun itself is a S7 AP4 Monofiliment gun, that either fires a Hellstorm, or a 7" blast. Personally, I would have taken the Scatter Sheild + Gun, but that's me. |
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Post by grubnards on Feb 9, 2016 20:04:14 GMT -5
Nogle,
I really wish I could have gone to the AoS event. One of the aspects I like about that game is that while large monsters are tough and can do a lot of damage, they can still die to a mass of goblins with spears or a squad of militia. Plus, as the monster takes wounds it becomes weaker and has less damage output. To me that makes sense.
Garner,
I get that Min-maxing/MSU's have been around for a long time but even 5th edition Grey Knights and Space Wolves could be beaten back then with less than stellar armies like Eldar, tau, and chaos were back in the day. The difference is that back then a force org still had limits and you could only take "x" amount of certain units. Now with formations and CADs you can pretty much take anything you want, like the above list, which to me is just screwy. I also get that events are as fun as you make them. Anyone who knows me knows that it is never about winning an event in order for me to have fun. I enjoy hanging with the guys, getting shitty drunk, and tossing numbered cubes around but as of late this edition itself just stinks. That's why I've opted to help run the past two Da Boyz, I get to hang with my buds, get shitty drunk and be less aggravated when the event is over. It's funny now that I've sat out these past two years, I've sat and watched how people react during events. For what is supposed to be a fun weekend becomes stressfully, emotional and a downright shitty time. To me, that aggravation is not worth it.
Hey, if you are having fun with it then don't let me detract from your enjoyment. I'm not going anywhere and I'll still play games with peeps but the only events I'll plan for are AoS and xwing for now.
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Post by nettik189 on Feb 9, 2016 23:14:37 GMT -5
Idk how i feel about that wriathknight It's really good! I've got one myself. No, it doesn't flickerjump (That's just a little too far.), but he can move 12" and scatter 1d6 over terrain, which makes him not get locked behind a pile of rocks like my Knight did against you (I'm not salty). Also, he can use his jump pack, to leave the table. This is really good for baiting Grav Guns. The gun itself is a S7 AP4 Monofiliment gun, that either fires a Hellstorm, or a 7" blast. Personally, I would have taken the Scatter Sheild + Gun, but that's me. I know the rules i think its too good to play for fun. Im debating on picking one up myself but i am not sure i like the rules i just think its to strong to enjoy |
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