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Post by theblackknight on Oct 5, 2015 9:30:40 GMT -5
Hello All! With me starting to play my first army again and renewing my love of the universe eating Zenos, I wanted to get to know them better. I just wanted to start a general discussion about where people believe the Great Devourer came from, how the nids came to be, how each hive fleet is different from the next and how the nids as a race evolve and interact with the universe itself, just in the hopes of learning more about the nids instead of assuming information. This is also with the hopes of making my own little flavorful hive fleet for myself.
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Post by dudeisuck on Oct 5, 2015 15:02:52 GMT -5
I blame the Void Dragon for the Tyranid invasion. I believe he created the hive mind in his madness, you know, being a betrayed star god and such.
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Post by psykerchild on Oct 5, 2015 16:09:47 GMT -5
... ooo... potential for a metalloid tyranid-necron mashup there!
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Post by Crispy on Oct 5, 2015 18:57:34 GMT -5
I think that the Nids are the only 'aliens' to our galaxy. If each Galaxy has the rich history of 40K that ours has, I think the Nids are the remnants of their own galaxy, come to ours.
They somehow got to the top of the heap of their systems, and after expending all their energy, have come to ours.
That said, maybe they're drawn here. The astronomicon is a siren's call, and like whales, they can't help themselves but to come.
A hobby question that may never see a model, I wonder if they'll every make the mega-arachnids from Fulgrim. I'm sure tendril swarms were around for a long time, but it would make for a cool 30k shoutout.
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Post by theblackknight on Oct 5, 2015 23:33:01 GMT -5
I originally thought that the tyranids were created by some spiteful god after some age old war of the necron gods or the eldar gods when they were about the leave the dimension they left a little present to say screw you universe. Thats where I thought the orks came from.
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Post by dudeisuck on Oct 6, 2015 5:45:56 GMT -5
Eldar gods didn't run away, they were killed/captured by chaos. The old ones were pretty much eradicated during their war with the Necrons. They only god-like beings that could have done it were the C'Tan, and only one is unaccounted for, the Void Dragon. I do like Crispy's idea though.
Orks are created by Gork and Mork, their gods, or so they believe. They are space fungus the actually reproduce via spores.
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Post by theblackknight on Oct 6, 2015 8:28:18 GMT -5
Huh, didn't know all of the eldar gods were captured. I thought only nurgle had their god of life but that's interesting. I do like Crispy's idea but how do you explain the shadow in the warp? Did the previous galaxy also have warp qualities?
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Post by grubnards on Oct 6, 2015 10:09:43 GMT -5
In regards to the Eldar gods I believe Isha is the one imprisoned by nurgle and the laughing God is in the webway. I think all of the other main ones are gone.
As for the Tyranids, there is a really good breakdown of how they work in the xenology book. If you can find a copy of it I would highly recommend it to anyone who wants to learn more about Xenos fluff. The true mystery and horror of the Tyranids is that no one knows where they came from and how long they have been around. They could have eaten their way through countless galaxies, consuming and evolving with every life form that they encounter. Plus the hive fleets encountered this far may simply be the vanguard elements of their race and that the bulk of the Tyranids are nearing our galaxy. They don't care about losses as they will create more troops. They don't care about enemy technology or fighting styles as they will evolve after each encounter to overcome their initial weaknesses. They don't care about holding territory because once they strip a planet of biomass they move on.
If any one race will bring down the Galaxy it will have to be the nids. chaos simply does not have the numbers and as far as we know the nids are not influenced by chaos. Orks may be able to put up a good fight but in the end I think it would come down to numbers.
Another good Tyranid story is "The fall of malvoran" (not sure if that is spelled right). It is a short story written by Dan Abnett that follows a Tyranid invasion of a world and how brutal it is.
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Post by koszkamade on Oct 6, 2015 14:27:46 GMT -5
The fall of malvoran
Is that the story that was in a WD a while back ( 3rd ed. era) that takes place on an agri world?
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Post by grubnards on Oct 6, 2015 15:28:54 GMT -5
It may have been in a white dwarf back in the day. It's in one of the anthology books that I own. But yeah, it's the story of an invasion on the agi world.
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Post by dudeisuck on Oct 6, 2015 21:35:07 GMT -5
I didn't say they were all captured, just either killed or captured. Cegorach is hiding somewhere possibly. He likes to fake things and feign death.
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Post by Crispy on Oct 7, 2015 8:08:03 GMT -5
Huh, didn't know all of the eldar gods were captured. I thought only nurgle had their god of life but that's interesting. I do like Crispy's idea but how do you explain the shadow in the warp? Did the previous galaxy also have warp qualities? I would think that other galaxies have the similar warp qualities as our own. Maybe not the exact gods that we have, but reflections of emotions made manifest. That's a complete assumption, but I would think that the consistency would be there across galaxies. The Shadow in the Warp would be the same accross different galaxies. Instead of tumultuous emotions of the many stirring the warp, you have a single minded focus of the Hivemind. I see it as bending the will of the warp. |
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Post by nedley on Oct 7, 2015 13:35:05 GMT -5
Eldar gods didn't run away, they were killed/captured by chaos. The old ones were pretty much eradicated during their war with the Necrons. They only god-like beings that could have done it were the C'Tan, and only one is unaccounted for, the Void Dragon. I do like Crispy's idea though. Orks are created by Gork and Mork, their gods, or so they believe. They are space fungus the actually reproduce via spores. Actually, didn't the Old Ones make the Orks, (K'Orks) when they were trying to stop the Necrons? But, didn't get to finish their science project in time, then made the most warlike race ever? Also, I'd assume that Gork and Mork were willed into existence by the Orks, since they get power equal to the number of Orks in the universe, like how Chaos Gods are born. |
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Post by nedley on Oct 7, 2015 13:36:04 GMT -5
I blame the Void Dragon for the Tyranid invasion. I believe he created the hive mind in his madness, you know, being a betrayed star god and such. I say it's the Astronomicon, with Big E sitting on it. That massive psychic beacon must be like a dinner bell for the Tyranids. |
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Post by grubnards on Oct 7, 2015 15:26:44 GMT -5
Nedly is correct. The old ones did create the orks to fight the necrons per the early fluff but orks left unchecked get rather rambunctious.
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