Mech guard makes a comeback!

[dudeisuck]

So, with the new Mont'Ka book, the guard got access to a decurion like detachment with some pretty nice perks. I've been tossing around some ideas for some full mech lists.

The first one is probably the one I'll be running at the ATC if I can get the tanks done in time.

+++ Recon Support (1850pts) +++

++ Astra Militarum: Codex (2014) (AM Cadian Battle Group) (1850pts) ++

+ Command (175pts) +

Battle Group Command (175pts)
····Company Command Squad (175pts) [Flak Armour]
········Chimera (65pts) [Heavy Bolter, 2x Lasgun Arrays, Multi-laser, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers]
········Company Commander [Close Combat Weapon, Flak Armour, Frag Grenades, Orders, Refractor Field]
············Laspistol [Laspistol]
········Master of Ordnance (20pts) [Artillery Bombardment, Close Combat Weapon, Flak Armour, Frag Grenades]
········Officer of the Fleet (20pts) [Close Combat Weapon, Flak Armour, Frag Grenades, Navy Orders]
········Veteran Autocannon Team (10pts) [Autocannon, 2x Frag Grenades T, Lasgun]
········2x Veteran w/ Lasgun [2x Frag Grenades, 2x Lasgun]

+ Core (865pts) +

Emperor's Fist Armoured Company (865pts)
····Enginseer (40pts) [Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Laspistol, Power Armour, Power Axe, Servo-arm]
····Enginseer (40pts) [Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Laspistol, Power Armour, Power Axe, Servo-arm]
····Enginseer (40pts) [Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Laspistol, Power Armour, Power Axe, Servo-arm]
····Leman Russ Squadron (120pts)
········Eradicator (120pts) [Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Eradicator Nova Cannon]
····Leman Russ Squadron (145pts)
········Vanquisher (145pts) [Lascannon (10pts), Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Vanquisher Battle Cannon]
····Leman Russ Squadron (130pts)
········Exterminator (130pts) [Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Exterminator Autocannon]
····Tank Commander (350pts)
········Command Punisher (160pts) [2x Heavy Bolter (20pts), Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Punisher Gatling Cannon]
············Tank Commander [Tank Orders]
········Punisher (160pts) [2x Heavy Bolter (20pts), Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Punisher Gatling Cannon]

+ Auxiliary (810pts) +

Emperor's Blade Assault Company (810pts)
····Company Command Squad (150pts) [Flak Armour]
········Chimera (65pts) [Heavy Bolter, 2x Lasgun Arrays, Multi-laser, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers]
········Company Commander (15pts) [Close Combat Weapon, Flak Armour, Frag Grenades, HoC: Volkov's Cane (10pts), Melta Bombs (5pts), Orders, Refractor Field]
············Laspistol [Laspistol]
········2x Veteran w/ Grenade Launcher (10pts) [2x Frag Grenades, 2x Grenade Launcher]
········2x Veteran w/ Lasgun [2x Frag Grenades, 2x Lasgun]
····Hellhound Squadron (125pts)
········Hellhound (125pts) [Heavy Bolter, Turret-mounted Inferno Cannon]
····Veterans (190pts) [Flak Armour for Squad]
········Chimera (65pts) [Heavy Bolter, 2x Lasgun Arrays, Multi-laser, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers]
········Demolitions (30pts) [Melta-bombs for Squad, Single Demolition Charge]
········Veteran Sergeant [Close Combat Weapon, Frag Grenades, Laspistol]
········5x Veteran w/ Lasgun [5x Frag Grenades, 5x Lasgun]
········3x Veteran w/ Meltagun (30pts) [3x Frag Grenades, 3x Meltagun]
········Veteran w/ Vox-caster (5pts) [Frag Grenades, Lasgun, Vox-caster]
····Veterans (190pts)
········Chimera (65pts) [Heavy Bolter, 2x Lasgun Arrays, Multi-laser, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers]
········Grenadiers (15pts) [Carapace Armour for Squad]
········Veteran Sergeant [Close Combat Weapon, Frag Grenades, Laspistol]
········5x Veteran w/ Lasgun [5x Frag Grenades, 5x Lasgun]
········3x Veteran w/ Plasma Gun (45pts) [3x Frag Grenades, 3x Plasma Gun]
········Veteran w/ Vox-caster (5pts) [Frag Grenades, Lasgun, Vox-caster]
····Veterans (155pts) [Flak Armour for Squad, Krak Grenades for Squad (10pts)]
········Chimera (65pts) [Heavy Bolter, 2x Lasgun Arrays, Multi-laser, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers]
········Veteran Sergeant [Close Combat Weapon, Frag Grenades, Laspistol]
········3x Veteran w/ Flamer (15pts) [3x Flamer, 3x Frag Grenades]
········5x Veteran w/ Lasgun [5x Frag Grenades, 5x Lasgun]
········Veteran w/ Vox-caster (5pts) [Frag Grenades, Lasgun, Vox-caster]


So, the only required part of the formation of formations is either a command tank squadron or a command squad. Then you get 1-3 core choices, and each one of those allows 1-3 support choices.

Using this, battle group ccs gets to give orders in a 24" bubble instead of 12, and you take your leadership tests for orders on 3d6 taking the two lowest results as well as issue an extra order. The tank formation gives a bunch of perks: all tanks in 12" of the command tank are bs4, any tank within 6" of an enginseer that suffers a pen rolls 2d6 and uses the lowest result, and gets tank shock/ramming buffs. The vet formation gets preferred enemy against any units within 6" of an objective, and infantry are obsec. The relic the CCS has is pretty cool, orders are only failed on boxcars within 6" of the model. I would like to thank Koszka for pointing out the vet squad formation.

List 2 (How many leman russes can we fit?):
+++ Leman Russ (1850pts) +++

++ Astra Militarum: Codex (2014) (Formation Detachment) (1716pts) ++

+ Formation (1716pts) +

Emperor's Fist Armoured Company (1716pts)
····Enginseer (40pts) [Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Laspistol, Power Armour, Power Axe, Servo-arm]
····Enginseer (40pts) [Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Laspistol, Power Armour, Power Axe, Servo-arm]
····Enginseer (40pts) [Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Laspistol, Power Armour, Power Axe, Servo-arm]
····Leman Russ Squadron (360pts)
········Eradicator (120pts) [Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Eradicator Nova Cannon]
········Eradicator (120pts) [Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Eradicator Nova Cannon]
········Eradicator (120pts) [Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Eradicator Nova Cannon]
····Leman Russ Squadron (328pts)
········Executioner (188pts) [2x Plasma Cannons (30pts), Heavy Bolter, Relic Plating (3pts), Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Executioner Plasma Cannon]
········Exterminator (140pts) [Lascannon (10pts), Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Exterminator Autocannon]
····Leman Russ Squadron (390pts)
········Exterminator (130pts) [Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Exterminator Autocannon]
········Exterminator (130pts) [Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Exterminator Autocannon]
········Exterminator (130pts) [Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Exterminator Autocannon]
····Tank Commander (518pts)
········Battle Tank (160pts) [Battle Cannon, Lascannon (10pts), Searchlight, Smoke Launchers]
········Battle Tank (160pts) [Battle Cannon, Lascannon (10pts), Searchlight, Smoke Launchers]
········Command Vanquisher (168pts) [HoC: Kabe's Herald (20pts), Lascannon (10pts), Relic Plating (3pts), Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Vanquisher Battle Cannon, Warlord]
············Tank Commander [Tank Orders]

++ Fortifications and Stronghold Assault (2013) (Fortification Detachment) (100pts) ++

+ Fortification (100pts) +

Void Shield Generator (100pts) [3x Projected Void Shields (75pts)]

++ Inquisition: Codex (2013) (Inq Inquisitorial Detachment) (34pts) ++

+ HQ (34pts) +

Ordo Malleus Inquisitor (34pts) [Psyk-out Grenades, 3x Servo Skulls (9pts)]
····Carapace Armour [Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Frag and Krak Grenades]

Because tanks that are hard to kill, that's why. Also, I'd like to field half my russes because they are fun.

[koszkamade]

For list #1:

Vets:
They are some pricey veterans. The way they always end up when it comes to demolitions; tank gets popped, dudes get assaulted, said dudes get wrecked and they never got to use their cool toys.

It comes with a heavy heart that I've found demolitions to be too difficult to successfully utilize. The demo charge is great though, how often will you be able to get them off in a meta game? I've rarely get the opportunity ( When i do its because I hide my demo charges in flyers).

It may be wise to swap those demolitions for carapace armor. This way your guardsmen will have a fighting chance against incoming bolster retaliation. With gladius and bikes being the hotness, getting a save will go a long way.

Personally, I find the demolition vets with x3 flamers a very flexible choice. In the recent meta though the points just don't feel justified By replacing that demolitions, all 3 vet squads could have carapace!

Drop vox casters. Being able to do orders on 3d6 minus the higher roll pretty much guarantees successes. Add in the cane and you have no way of fucking that up.

If you had the points, i'd downgrade those plasma guns to meltas or flamers. With the points saved you could give your command squads a good amount of assault weapons. I like the list though.

My only complaint about the veteran formation is that the chimeras aren't objective secured

List #2
Love preferred enemy but don't have Pask? Get some trojan support vehicles for your engineseers. If you check out IA1, trojans can be taken as a dedicated transport for your tech priests. Each trojan gives a vehicle within 6" preferred enemy. For 35 points thats pretty rad. On top of that they can hold 6 models so you have somewhere to hide your seers and inquisitor! You could all the points you need by dropping one russ. 3 preferred enemy giving tanks for 105 pts? yes please!

[theblackknight]

THE PARKING LOT IS STRONG WITH THIS ONE!!!! QUICK! DRIVE ME CLOSER!! I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD!!!!

[dudeisuck]

Well, here is take 2 for the pile o' russes. I did some swaps, went for a pair of punisher bolter boats (that are bs4 from the formation), swapped an eradicator and my 4th exterminator for a second plasmacutioner and 2 Trojans. I like the preferred enemy thing, especially if they give the plasmacutioners the ability to not kill themselves so much. They can be used on the punishers vs hordes as well. Yet again, kudos to Koszka for pointing out the Trojan, forgot about that little gem.

+++ Leman Russ (1850pts) +++

++ Astra Militarum: Codex (2014) (Formation Detachment) (1716pts) ++

+ Formation (1716pts) +

Emperor's Fist Armoured Company (1716pts)
····Enginseer (75pts) [Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Laspistol, Power Armour, Power Axe, Servo-arm]
········Trojan Towing Vehicle (FW) (35pts) [Heavy Flamer, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers]
····Enginseer (75pts) [Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Laspistol, Power Armour, Power Axe, Servo-arm]
········Trojan Towing Vehicle (FW) (35pts) [Heavy Flamer, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers]
····Enginseer (40pts) [Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Laspistol, Power Armour, Power Axe, Servo-arm]
····Leman Russ Squadron (240pts)
········Eradicator (120pts) [Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Eradicator Nova Cannon]
········Eradicator (120pts) [Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Eradicator Nova Cannon]
····Leman Russ Squadron (373pts)
········Executioner (188pts) [2x Plasma Cannons (30pts), Heavy Bolter, Relic Plating (3pts), Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Executioner Plasma Cannon]
········Executioner (185pts) [2x Plasma Cannons (30pts), Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Executioner Plasma Cannon]
····Leman Russ Squadron (390pts)
········Exterminator (130pts) [Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Exterminator Autocannon]
········Exterminator (130pts) [Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Exterminator Autocannon]
········Exterminator (130pts) [Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Exterminator Autocannon]
····Tank Commander (523pts)
········Command Vanquisher (173pts) [Dozer Blade (5pts), HoC: Kabe's Herald (20pts), Lascannon (10pts), Relic Plating (3pts), Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Vanquisher Battle Cannon, Warlord]
············Tank Commander [Tank Orders]
········Punisher (160pts) [2x Heavy Bolter (20pts), Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Punisher Gatling Cannon]
········Punisher (160pts) [2x Heavy Bolter (20pts), Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Turret-mounted Punisher Gatling Cannon]

++ Fortifications and Stronghold Assault (2013) (Fortification Detachment) (100pts) ++

+ Fortification (100pts) +

Void Shield Generator (100pts) [3x Projected Void Shields (75pts)]

++ Inquisition: Codex (2013) (Inq Inquisitorial Detachment) (34pts) ++

+ HQ (34pts) +

Ordo Malleus Inquisitor (34pts) [Psyk-out Grenades, 3x Servo Skulls (9pts)]
····Carapace Armour [Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Frag and Krak Grenades]

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[calypso2ts]

When you have a collection of AV 14 vehicles, are the Void Shields even worth it? If anything, they provide something for massed S7 shooting to knock down. Otherwise, that shooting cannot do a thing.

The one exception might be the Trojans, I am not sure on their statline, but I think you can probably hide them behind a wall of Russes.

[dudeisuck]

The Void shields are there really to stop ranged D from being a pain (thank you wraithknight), as well as semi protection from drop melta and any for of grav. Trojans are av10 and can hide behind a wall of russes, but because of how slow russes are, I'll need to move out after I nuke the biggest threats to the russes so I can actually grab objectives.

[koszkamade]

I like this list. Maybe it would benefit you to get a few multimeltas dropped into this list. Maybe your plasmacutioners could swap out their sponsons for multimeltas+ lascannons on the hulls. That way the unit would be able to shoot at flyers/invisible units instead of just sitting on their hands in certain scenarios....

[calypso2ts]

Can the Inquisitor take a combi-melta? Might be worth throwing it on him in case he gets the off chance of a pot-shot at a Knight. Maybe the same on the Engiseers (no idea what kit they get)

One advantage of the Plasma Sponsons against Invised units is if there is anything nearby, they can try to scatter onto the unit. I like the idea of a few multi-meltas in there though.

From the perspective of D protection, I am not sure void shields help much - Eldar can definitely cause 3 AV 12 glance/pens in a turn to tear them down before the Knight. For 100 points though, it is not a bad investment for this army.

[dudeisuck]

Yeah, but for some reason I've seen lots of people spam Wraithknights, like 3-4 per army with min scat squads, so 9 bikes may do it, but that's if I don't force them to jink or they reserve them because they are kinda useless, then they work. I just REALLY don't want to get grav immobilized/wrecked. Grav doesn't work on shields, which is good.

Enginseers don't get anything except meltabombs, servitors, and Trojans. I'll try both versions of plasmacutioners and see how they work.