Adepticon - The drawing board

[koszkamade]

So i've been sent back to the drawing board to figure out how i'll deal with adepticon army lists. Here are some lists I've been building. What's your opinion?

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List 1:
Skitari detachment

Troop:
• Vanguard x8 w/ x2 arc rifles, omnispex
• Vanguard x8 w/ x2 arc rifles, omnispex

Elite:
• Infiltrators x5 w/ taser goads
• Infiltrators x5 w/ taser goads

Fast Attack:
• Dragoons x6

Heavy support:
• Dunecrawlers x2 w/ x2 icarus arrays

Assasin detachment
• Celuxsis Assassin

Raven Guard CAD
HQ:
• Captain w/ Artificer Armor, swift strike & murder, Jump pack, Meltabomb

Troop:
• Scouts x5 w/ combi grav + Storm ( heavy flamer)
• Scouts x5 w/ combi grav + Storm ( heavy flamer)
• Scouts x5 w/ combi grav + Storm ( heavy flamer)

Fast Attack:
• Drop Pod
• Drop Pod


This list can plop the celuxsis, infiltrators, vanguard, etc. in the drop pods, while the scouts have a flexibility of either infiltrating+ scout moving into position, or outflanking. It has the flexibility of either alpha striking or staggering my deployment. It'll be funny to have my raven guard character join some infiltrators turn one so they have stealth and shroud. I like the idea of jumping an army line with two units of infiltrators; making units nearby at -2 LD,WS,I,BS. hahaha


List 2:

List 1:
Skitari detachment

Troop:
• Vanguard x10 w/ x2 arc rifles, omnispex
• Vanguard x8 w/ x2 arc rifles, omnispex

Elite:
• Infiltrators x5 w/ taser goads

Fast Attack:
• Dragoons x6

Heavy support:
• Dunecrawlers x2 w/ x2 icarus arrays

Assasin detachment
• Celuxsis Assassin

Raven Guard Skyhammer annhiliation force
• Assualt marines x10 w/ meltabomb, x2 flamers
• Assault marines x10 w/ meltabomb, x2 flamers
• Devastators x10 w/ combi grav, x2 multi meltas, ammo cherub + drop pod
• Devastators x10 w/ combi grav, x2 multi meltas, ammo cherub + drop pod

This force has the potential of a pretty brutal alpha/beta strike. The ability to combat squad to up to 8 units could be very powerful when dealing with armies such as tau, who may only be able to intercept with 3-4 units. the ammo cherubs will be helpful when I really need those combi-grav to hit properly on the turn they land. If they land turn 1, they'll all have shroud. The assault marines have a very good chance of smashing into the enemy lines. This half of my army will help pin armies in place as the rest of my army rolls up the board.


Thoughts?

[chaoscraig]

First off.....is this post in English? J/k its hard for me to give feedback on this list because I don't know skitarii that well. I think most of the community will agree. Can we get a skitarii tacticia thread from you?

[koszkamade]

thegrandstrategery.proboards.com/thread/610/codex-skitarii-review-priests-coming

already done!!!!

[nettik189]

I dont like sky hammer but thats me, in the first list i would suggest making one of the landspeeder storms a fast attack one so you can throw the culeux in it for a fast blubble popper. Turbo boosting 12inch(tech 24) in your shooting phase is amazing specially bc it says they are popped when you come in range not stay in range. Its also an assualt vehicle so after thrn one or two you can pop out and be a threat.

[koszkamade]

Sadly storms can only hold space marine scouts. It states specifically in the unit entry

Trust me, if you could use storms for other squads, I'd be fielding Imperial guard command squads in those bad boys!

Sky hammer would be my answer to dealing with LoW, or holding an army in place for my assault elements of my skitarii to get to work. I like the idea of 6 twin linked grav shots on on the landing. Could be very helpful. The 4 multi meltas wouldn't hurt either.

For the CAD raven guard, I was tempted to drop a storm and some wargear to fit a LotD unit. Not sure though.

[calypso2ts]

Where does the JP Captain in the first list fit? Wonder if a Librarian there might be a better option overall. Just having a hood that can deny on a 5+ or 4+ for nearby units can be really valuable, not to mentionhis own innate psychic powers.

Otherwise, I still like list 1 better, it has more mobility and interesting options after deployment. I think it fits your style better than the slow marines you drop pod in for list 2.

[koszkamade]

The jump pack captain has the role to jump into any unit he feels like. I think I'll either have him join a unit of vanguard ( definitely if I end up drop podding the smaller unit) or have him link up with some infiltrators.

I was also on the fence of dropping a scout and a storm, replace the captain with a tech marine, get another drop pod, and put in a unit of assault centurions w/ hurricane bolters + TL-flamers. Maybe a chaplain would be more useful though ( zealot is always awesome!)

Not sure though but would love to hear some peoples thoughts.



Update:
Played with skyhamer last night against Kneel. Things went horribly as I kept succumbing to Garner dice. Its hard to make an army decision when If the dice didn't poop all over me so badly. I think the sky hammer is a great tool for locking armies until the skitarii can get into range. Sadly, My only experience so far is my sky hammer charging in to just repeatedly bounce off my opponent. I'll have to get a second try with it.

[nettik189]

Your dice did not pop on you till turn two and by then your fate was more or less sealed sadly. I think sky hammer is a one trick pony that anyone can see through and most armies(minus tau) will have a fearless/unpinnable deathstar unit that will eat your 20 assault marines you are paying ~320 pnts for. Also lets not forget about deep striking and mishaps, you got pretty lucky in our game but you could have easily lost the unit or i effectivly take them out of the game.

[dudeisuck]

Jan 7, 2016 9:41:31 GMT -5 koszkamade said:

Things went horribly as I kept succumbing to Garner dice. Its hard to make an army decision when If the dice didn't poop all over me so badly.

Not sure if it is a compliment or not haha. I'm really not a fan of Skyhammer though, it can be good, but not good on its own without immediate support.

[koszkamade]

Imagine your games if you rolled statistically average. You'd be king of the world!!!!!

[theblackknight]

I love how "Garner dice" has become a term to be used in this group.

[nogle]

Is there a person that's the anti garner? Not sure what that term would be

[koszkamade]

I think at times I am the anti-garner.

Don't mis-read that. I'm totally pro-garner.


Was able to get a playtest in against an armored company. It was a bit of an unfair fight As i had first turn and penned in his entire army into a corner. x2 infiltrator debuffs + blind was hilarious. (BS2 triple punishers...)

Unit of the match goes to my centurions; who were so good they didn't even have to show up to the fight

[dudeisuck]

Blind doesn't effect models without initiative though. And that's why I don't like punishers.

[nettik189]

He blinded the blob squad, his infaltrators are the ones with the aura effect that makes you -1BS,WS,IN,LDR so he puts 2 units withing 6in of you and you ste then -2. Blobs int is 3 so he had to pass blind on a 1 or his opponents models are WS &BS 0 and cannot shoot or hit in combat